Q&A: Grand Chief Stewart Phillip
Interviewed by Carol Hilton
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| Photo: Marina Dodis |
Serving for more than 13 years as Chief of the Penticton Indian Band, and over nine years as president of the Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs, Grand Chief Stewart Phillip is an
instrumental figure for First Nations in southern BC. He believes the treaty process is flawed because it doesn’t recognize aboriginal rights to the land and resources and says the
Tsawwassen settled for far less than they were entitled.
CG: Can you explain how the Tsawwassen agreement suppresses aboriginal title rights?
SP: Rather than recognize those rights, the treaty has effectively extinguished them. The Tsawwassen agreement was all about economics, not about aboriginal title and rights interests.
It’s a one-time deal only, and the amounts of money that are being offered are woefully inadequate.
CG: Neighbouring First Nations, like the Semiahmoo, have said there are still disputed land and resource claims in this area. Is the treaty situation
becoming a matter of first come, first served?
SP: Yes, very much so. Those are the rules of the game. There’s no onus on the Tsawwassen to prove the boundaries of the area they’re claiming. Then you’re given the green
light to borrow huge amounts of money that goes to consultants and lawyers and so on. So after you’ve been at the table attempting to negotiate a reasonable and just settlement, 14 or 15
years later you find yourself several millions of dollars in debt and you’re faced with repaying this huge loan. So there’s great pressure on the community to settle.
CG: Tsawwassen is described as unique because of its geographical position encircled by urban development. Do you think they may have felt their negotiation options were more limited?
SP: Yes, there’s no question about it. You can look at that side of the issue; you can say this tiny community is hemmed in by several jurisdictions, and this was an
opportunity they couldn’t pass up. Or you can look at the economic opportunism. I was in that community along with several other high-profile leaders, and we spent the entire evening
talking about the consequences of entering this agreement and the impact it would have on the rest of us. And it was obvious to us that the Tsawwassen leaders had already made up their
minds to do this. But you know it sets a benchmark that obviously the rest of us don’t appreciate.
CG: What will it take to improve this process?
SP: There are two processes currently underway. One that is coming quickly to a decision point is what is known as the New Relationship. The purpose of the New Relationship
is to recognize and accommodate and reconcile the aboriginal title and rights of the First Nations in B.C. Now, that process is going into its third year with very little significant
progress.
Second, we are in a position to advance a legislative proposal to Premier Campbell and his cabinet. What this proposal calls for is a B.C. Aboriginal Title and Rights Recognition Act,
and within that legislation we’re seeking that the government of B.C. and its ministries follow the law of the land and recognize and accommodate our aboriginal title interest, and that
resource revenue sharing, shared decision-making and co-management become a legislated responsibility that resource companies are compelled to follow.
And I suppose the other option is getting out on the land and bringing the economy to a grinding halt. And I can tell you with great certainty that poverty and powerlessness ultimately
lead to violence, and at that moment the violence is internalized. But there will be a point in time when that violence will turn outward, because we simply can’t go on like this.
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“People that have journeyed in our canoes, sang our songs, hunted in our territories, taught our young and learned from our elders have worked on the treaty. This will be a Tsawwassen government of Tsawwassen people with Tsawwassen values.” —Andrew Bak, Tsawwassen councillor, community meeting July 7, 2007
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